Todd McShay explains why he has Trey Lance over Justin Fields in Mock Draft 2.0 | First Take
Todd McShay speaks with Max Kellerman on First Take about the depth at wide receiver in the 2021 NFL Draft beyond Alabama’s DeVonta Smith and Jaylen Waddle and LSU’s Ja’Marr Chase. (1:55) McShay also explains why he has the Carolina Panthers trading up to No. 3 to select North Dakota State QB Trey Lance in his Mock Draft 2.0. (edited)
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I know no one here will believe me but I PERSONLY know Todd, Hey Todd it’s AJ
Justin Fields is the best QB in this draft. Yes over Lawrence. Y’all will see.
These “experts” is going to hype Lance up so much that it’s going to hurt him because he needs a year to develop. Yes he’s has incredible athleticism and a good arm but it’s tough to say if he progress through his reads at a NFL level because of his WRs constantly being wide open. He rarely needs to work to his 2nd or 3rd option and there are times where he takes off to soon while missing an open WR downfield. Lance is a project and the #5 QB going into the draft
What’s funny I can see the Cowboys try to get him if he’s available cause there crazy
So he is finally admitting he is drunk and a hack?
McShay(de) says Lance ranks higher than Fields even though he played only game, I hope Fields lands in a good team and prove these so called Pundits have a Big Blind (I couldn't make the B bigger...lol )spot....these are the same guys who hyped Daniel Jones.
That payola for this kid & Zac Wilson is krazy!!
If the Jets pass on Fields sitting at number two, you might as well kiss their entire season goodbye.
obviously you are lying cause all reports out of carolina they love fields over any qb in this draft so what are you talking about?
These “analysts” are a joke at this point. They’ll just say anything now.
Todd McShay looking thicc.
The peaceful second supply signal because territory distinctively pine about a vulgar dahlia. round, dear den
If the bears 🐻 can’t get Deshaun Watson Dak Prescott or Derek Car then if draft time comes trade up to get Deshaun Watson not Trey Lance Zack Wilson or Mack Jones. Justin Fields fits the bears scheme 1000x better than the QB I just listed above. Justin Fields is not only a good passer; I’ve watched him at Ohio State for 2 years now and he has a cannon. Out of the 4 Justin Fields is more mobile then the 3 and won’t get killed in the pocket. He just fits the bears offense
I would love to see his record on his picks. I bet it’s trash. Hard to believe he gets paid for his evaluations. 🤥🤫
Tod tod tod tod tod says kiper in his sleep like every night!
Lol, McShay hates Justin Fields. He must be a KKK member along with the KKK members at UGA.
Ain’t Todd McShay one of the people that convinced NFL TEAMS to pick Mitch Trubisky over D. Watson and what’s that other guys name ? Oh yeah two time SB QB Patrick Mahomes. J. Fields has been talked about since his freshman year now there’s two other QBs ahead of him Com on man.
Fire mcshay Fields is the best qb in the draft
Glad to see mcshay speaking better. He was in rough shape a couple months ago
Tanner Morgan From Minnesota Best QB know one is talking about.
I think Fields is good. However I also have lance above fields and I have wilson above fields as well. My top qbs are: 1. Trevor Lawrence(no explanation needed. However wilson IMO is closer than most people have him to lawrence) 2. Zach Wilson (Huge upside and just a very good prospect with not a lot of help on offense in college) 3. Trey Lance (Good arm, Very high ceiling) 4. Justin Fields (Either huge bust like haskins or turns out like deshaun watson.) 5. Kyle Trask (Has very good accuracy, footwork and awareness. Threw for about 4,000 yards at florida and 43 TDs. I would rather have him then fields but I have fields above trask so I dont get killed by ohio state fans) 6. Mac Jones (Had one good season with weapons all around him. Wasnt too eye opening) 7. Jamie Newman (opted out but had heisman potential if he played this year) 8. Kellen Mond (played good at texas a&m and doesnt turn the ball over)
Absolutely agree with the list
LOL.
Todd is really Dan wearing a mask fuccin idiot , ESPN hire me I can do a better job
These analyst be so wrong when it comes to QB talent that I'm surprised they still do mock drafts. They should stop with mock drafts because ESPN analyst are the worst at evaluating QBs....just stop it.
Can you believe he gets paid to be wrong. Go back and watch how they downplayed Deshaun Watson a few years back. Just give up you're not an expert Mr. Mcshay
He really screws up players draft order. Who made him the tell all be all of college players. He probably had Couch, Leinart, Martell, and Johnny Football as the best QB's to succeed in the NFL. Kick rocks!!!!!!!
I'm soooo tired of Mark May...I mean McShay's degradation of Justin Fields. This kid was awesome last year, and should of been the winning QB of last years Natty in the Fiesta. Fields has been very good over a two year span, despite the coronavirus issues. You're talking about Lance's potential, what about the potential in Fields? He showed his ability while destroying Clemson! He has great upside! You need to stop it bro!
Why is the women even talking ? What is her value here ?
Okay the 2021 Carolina Panthers rebuild has begun.... Let's get brutal and frugal and trade Teddy Bridgewater while he has value. This is my vision of the Panthers 2021 Draft a very doable resurrection of the offense. First off trade back with the 49'ers acquiring the number 12th overall and 43rd pick With the 12th pick select (QB) Mac Jones [Pro READY and better skilled than advertised and a guy with the heart of a champion] With the 39th pick select (C) Landon Dickerson [Capable human Road Block able to play tackle or Center or Guard] With the 43rd pick select (RB) Nagee Harris [Another playmaker who understands the offensive scheme Carolina runs a day 1 starter] With the 73rd pick select (OL) Deonte Brown [a rotational guard that can add to the depth of the offensive line] With the 104th pick select (LB) Dylan Moses [A versatile LB who can play opposite Shaq Thompson] With the 135th pick select (TE) Miller Forestall [This TE is sneaky good with a knack of getting open and is also a good blocking tight end who also is very familiar with the QB] This draft addresses many needs and gives us a talented crew who are all familiar with the offense that the Panthers are implementing. This also give the Panthers some much need cap space to sign people in free agency. With KK Short's departure we need a DL who can have an immediate impact answer such as (DL) JJ Watt. In doing this we can sign (OG) Taylor Moton and (WR) Curtis Samuels. Now then when we trade Teddy Bridgewater we might get as high as a 2nd round pick. I don't know who will be available but I believe with this pick we need to address the DB spot. Perhaps this pick we look at the best player available or even possibly look at (DB) Tyree Gillespie to help shore up the backfield. This keeps Carolina getting younger and able to shed the salary cap and gives us a better financial look for acquiring veteran players. Bottom line this makes Carolina at least a 12 win season with a playoff berth....
Todd McShay does not like Justin Fields for some reason.......
Trevor cool but his comp is Carson wentz ay this point they d-2 players he has a lot to prove
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This is the same guy who had Jordan Love and Tua ahead of Justin Herbert and that the gap between Herbert and Tua was huge. Mcshay has proven he doesn't know qbs and does an awful job analyzing how and when college talent converts to the NFL.
Chase over Smith is ignorant to say the least.
It’s just set up to make these boys lose money. Trubisky was better than Watson and mahomes let him tell it.
SAID THE SAME THINGS ABOUT WENTZ ijs...
Mcshay is a certified idiot
Also Deshaun is better than Any of theses QBs Jets would be dumb to not Send this second rounder with darnold and another 1 round to Houston
Lmao Lance is not better then fields lmao and Fields is NFL ready also wilson reminds me of Goff
Fucc that lance didn't even play last year. One game. Barely any big-time competition. All on potential. Pass
Todd is right
Trey is just as good as Fields while being younger and knowing what it takes to win a Natty. Fields has already had an injury, is older, and has never won a Natty. Also, Trey's offense is more traditional NFL pro-style than Ohio State's. Trey had more of the "keys to the car" than Fields did. And Trey's QB coach was a former NFL starting QB who knows how to develop QBs better than anyone in the entirety of college football
LOL. "The keys to the car" ? In one game? where he ran it better than he threw it? who were they playing again? good god.
@Paid Tourist THAT IS NOT HOW YOU SCOUT PLAYERS
@Mitchell Ajieroh Name the last Ohio State QB who went on to do big things in the NFL. I'll wait...
@Mitchell Ajieroh Nah. If you were my GM or top scout and 2 guys had the same talent level, but you picked the older guy without a Natty who already has a prior knee injury, then you're getting fired
Facts
This man hates Justin
Justin Fields is GARBAGE,I watched his elite 11 pro day thing 7 months ago and missed a bunch of easy throws and the ball just kind of floats like nothing is on it,and I watched Trevor Lawrences pro day and Lawrence made every throw with ease, the ball had a nice fast spin to it and he looked like a pro QB..
Don’t sleep on shi smith from South Carolina Todd
Tracy lace suck😂🤣🤣😂
todd needs to get on that treadmill
Man please!
First thing they say is look at the games fields struggled in while they ignore the games trevor played horrible in which was a lot more than fields against horrible acc teams. Lawrence struggled against Syracuse.
@Connor And Hunter Staples pro day? When did Trevor do that? Way to early for a pro day.
@Connor And Hunter Staples wrong, Justin fields out performed Lawrence at every camp.....google is your friend.....or listen to Trent dillfer
his arm didn't look better than fields in the cfb playoff?
@Connor And Hunter Staples so you watched a pro day of Trevor Lawrence that released days ago......and you are going to compare that to a “pro day” of Fields about year old???
@Patrick Stevens I've never met a sensible calm OSU fan and you just prove my point
I got Mac jones over both Fields and lance.
Then you’re lost. Jones isn’t even better than Tua who looks bad. You probably thought Tebow was good, hyping up average white Qb’s
😂😂😂
They're black!
Todd Mcshay is easily the worst person on ESPN
5 stars D1 vs 3 stars FCS. big risk one year starter at FCS level vs 2 years at and 2 CFP appearances and he was Elite 11 MVP over Lawrence.
U have to be able to read defence in the PROS long term.5⭐4⭐3⭐.
this delay is so bad
over the years, these analysts have actually been consistent in hyping the wrong players so I guess in a way, they are still useful. Can't wait for them to be dead wrong about Fields though
Str8 Facts!!💯💯
These dudes have no idea what they talking about look how they doing Justin fields
McShay is trying to be controversial and thereby getting more attention for "HIMSELF"....
Trey lance over fields is not really controversial. Daniel jeremiah and other analysts have lance over fields
Ohio St QBs under achieve in the NFL consistently.
So have Trojans, but Todd hyped them lol
@OLPlatinumHero maybe urban meyers system didn’t but Ryan days🤷🏻♂️
@Reeny The ohio state system doesnt prepare NFL qbs. wide open lanes. simple passing concepts. Top defense
@weekendtrailerparksupervisor 420 the difference is USC QBs get drafted in the first round, OSU QBs are typically day 2 draft guys, so how are they under achieving, Hastkins is there only first round QB in the last 30 or so years, he's there only under achiever, those other guys where day 2 for a reason
@Brenda Joyce usc QBs under achieve consistently as well. Their QBs are usually hyped up
Trey lance played 1 game this year lost and didn’t play well but he’s better than fields How ?!!
Actually they won
The media went crazy for Haskins and look what happened to him
Last time I checked they played nothing alike.......
@G G okay but what has Daniel jones done???
@BigBank Breeze What’s YOUR point? I said the media hypes up prospects all the time and more often than not they’re wrong about them.
@G G ok in that draft last time I checked Daniel Jones since I’m the nfl leads the league in turnovers so saying him over Daniel jones ain’t far fetched Jones has done nothing to this point lol he actually looks just as garbage as haskins so what’s your point ?
@Kev I think Fields is good personally. I don’t think there’s enough good film from any QB this year to justify a high selection outside of Lawrence because of the way college football was. If I wanted a QB this year I’d be trying to trade for one not draft one.
He really don’t like Justin fields he’s so biased against him
@Gumbo Jambalaya history says Todd McShay is wrong most of time
he used to think fields was as good if not not better than lawrence tho
@Kyle Kuzma Nah, history repeats itself.
@Unisis only time will tell
@Kyle Kuzma I wouldn't say elite arm, but that's a strength of his. Speed and Size really don't mean as much as durability.
Toney over Bateman?
Justin fields 3rd tier? 🤣🤣
atn this point todd mcshay and espn are embarrassing when on earth did zack and trey pass Justin? what games did they go harder than justin? what leadership did they prover over justin? I can even make a debate for the last two years Justin has been almost better than Sunshine. I cant wait for next year. I am right every year about these Clowns.
@Matt R Mac Jones has below average athleticism with a low ceiling that played for a stacked team. Trevor Lawrence, Zach Wilson, and trey lance are the three best prospects
@Matt R Wrong...Matt is just like Brady, Brees, and Manning...great O lines. When the defense gets to them, they're ordinary. Kinda like Mahomes...minus the athleticism. Tampa shut dat %#% down. Jones sat back there and picked off the whole league. Good...but not great. Had Atlanta not changed to prevent defense, they would have beat the Patriots in that superbowl. So we'll see what happens in the next few years.
They have to find fault in smart black QB's. Trust me, I'm not making this a racial issue, but it sorta is. There's no way anyone has passed up Justin, who had he maintained the consistent play of the first two games, he would have passed Trevor. They were so happy when Justin threw three Interceptions against Indian, that they forgot they were killing them for the first half. They blew everything out of proportion from there.
@Dr. Logos I just don’t agree with Wilson over fields, I do think Mac Jones is very good, I was down on him last year, his pocket presence is joe borrow esq. at times
@polo hoodie Physically talented prospects sometimes do better early in their career when they surprise the world and then regress as defenses adjust to them. That's my concern with Trevor Lawrence. I'm more impressed by Mac Jones who was written off but continued to improve and ended up dominating against pro-level competition. Zach Wilson is a one year wonder with more bust potential, but he's also willing to get the rid of the ball quicker than Lawrence and has much better ball placement this year than Lawrence did. That's my take.
Justin Fields part starts at 1:54
If Houston does move on from Watson I hope we get Fields.
Yea or Lance
Trevor Lawrence goes 1 Zach Wilson 2 Justin fields 3 as quarterbacks goes
@Ish LOL Sure, keep dreaming! Dude makes all the throws, and meets every measurable. Ryan Clark also said he is the most heady qb in the draft.
Lmfao
@Ish what do you see in him to say that
Zach wilson gonna be a worse drew lock
@Dr Football Could happen.
I like Fields over all the QBs ... Even Lawrence. The way he moves and throws reminds me of Watson. Zach Wilson is overrated.
Fields is going to be good but I think he needs to work on progressing through his better and not hold on to the ball as much. For that he’s #3 for me.
I haven’t watched Wilson play, so I don’t have an opinion either way. But I watched a lot of fields & mac jones. & I think Mac jones is the better player. We will see
I will take Jones from Alabama.
I have Fields above Lawrence as well, but I have Mac Jones and Wilson above both. I think you could make a case for any of them tbh. I don't like these frauds like Kiper and McShay driving the narrative that one QB is this can't miss prospect while the other is "tier 3."
@Oliver McCall he also has no support outside of like Matt Bushman at TE. Its not just about competition its about habits such as awareness, accuracy, footwork etc.
Shhhh. You’re not supposed to talk about how good trey lance is. I want the colts to draft him!
I get the Zach Wilson over Justin Fields. There’s at least a respectable argument for it. But this?! Todd is on the booger sugar badly lol
@THE COUCH BRO'S PODCAST Dak was playing big games in an SEC schedule but I get your point
@Patrick Stevens when did i ever say he lacked attributes. Justing has the second strongest arm in this draft behind only Wilson. I said Wilson is QUICKER. And is MORE accurate with off platform throws. And has a STRONGER arm. Saying one person is better is not saying the other person in relation doesn’t have anything themselves.
@QUHectic212 so you think the teams that passed on wouldn’t draft them that high in a re do? Your point is terrible lol
@THE COUCH BRO'S PODCAST and they weren’t the number 2 pick 🤝
@THE COUCH BRO'S PODCAST I just went through this same ridiculous argument with someone. Took them to Justin Fields game tapes and proved them wrong! Go look at the Clemson game. Man is going through all his progressions and all his td throws are accurate (few tight window) throws? Some of these narratives are just that narratives! no feacts to bact them up? Justin's lack of attributes is fabricated.
Kadarius toney is going to be a star
Justin Fields obviously turned down Todd for an interview 🙄
@Lions 88 "THANK YOU" !!!!
@Lions 88 exactly
@JC ESGN People are going to have them ranked differently because its all speculation and opinion...
He’s not the only one who ranks Lance over Fields, y’all need to get out y’all feelings over an opinion.
The osu curse is real. Every QB from there has crashed, burned out of NFL fast
@Mitchell Ajieroh name one qb Lincoln riley recruited and sent to the NFL? 😂
@OLPlatinumHero so what Kliff was a better qb.....that doesn’t mean he is better at developing QBs
@Mitchell Ajieroh 😂 you gonna tell me about texas tech. Kliff and Lincoln were both qbs at texas tech. They both learned from mike leach. Kliff is better
@OLPlatinumHero no......that credit goes to Lincoln Riley not Kliff....Riley HC tenure at OU no one was talking about Baker as a top pick
@HK What? Kliff was at A&M and effectively recruited Kyle Allen Johnny Manziel Kyler Murray he also coached case keenum etc. what has urban meyer recruit? Tim tebow, Terrelle Pryor. and Riley was at a 8-5 East Carolina team prior
First it was Zach Wilson, now Trey Lance???? Heck I'd take Kyle Trask over Lance. Power 5 football
Losing all respect for McShay.
He's played one game this season! Again he's played one game! Justin has been in multiple big games, some hiccups yes, but the upside is unbelievable.
Todd Mcshay is messed up in the head.
Yeah and that one game for Lance was a freaking disaster, woulda thrown at least five picks if were playing a decent team, DBS were jumping his routes by mid third quarter, dudes a huge bust.
Who is shawty in the middle? 😍
@Charlyontv
Lance has a slow throwing motion..I'll go with fields if i was the panthers..
15/30 against central Arkansas... pass
Wilson and lance > fields
Lol
tood mcshay prolly has tate martell above justin at this point
😂😂
Justin field drop in the draft everyday
Maybe he gonna drop and return to college :D
Fields won't last much longer than the other dude from Washington that just got canned. Neither are anywhere close to spectacular. And I love the Buckeyes. Just being real.
@nalim lattarai exactly and Fields and Haskins play nothing alike...ones a pure pocket passer the other is a dual threat
Helmet scouting
@J Randall he played bad against acc competition as well.
Ridiculous. Haskins is an immobile stiff, with questionable character ( can't believe my Steelers signed him ). Fields is exactly the mobile QB NFL teams want now.
@J Randall did u watch him against Alabama or Ohio state before
Tom Brady just won the Super Bowl and he is not that Mobile either. So Todd needs to redue his reason why Trey or Justin goes ahead of Mac Jones..
Stop.....
Never compare players to hofs
Brady would be fucked if he had an O-line like Mahomes did in the SB, mobility is still important
Tampa also has a top tier offensive line, a lot of teams in the top 10 picks of the draft do not
Trey lance played Div 2 Football. There is a huge jump from that to the NFL. Anyone who take him 1st Round expect to be a bust.. Calling it now..
Fcs is division 1 football. Ignoring a players talent because of where they played is a big mistake. Joe flacco, Tony romo, Steve McNair, Kurt Warner just to name a few quarterbacks. Btw tyreek hill who is the fastest player in the nfl actually played in division 2. You need to be educated brother
NDSU football program is not to be laughed at. They have beaten 6 FBS SCHOOLS over the years. With different coaches & players. This shows the depth of the program. It's not just getting a few great kids for 3--4 yrs then back to so so. No ! They recruite the top players from all over, & after 8 National championships in 9 years, the kids want to play for NDSU. 3 different coaches, 4 different QB's, & complete turn over in all positions & yet they keep winning. 8 former players in the NFL.
Just because you played a lower level of competition doesn’t mean you’re gonna be a bust in the big leagues
Not division 2. D1 FCS the lower subdivision but still D1
"Tape don't lie" Sellout contradiction
Justin field 2 pick fact
2nd pick bust, fact.
Id definitely want Marvin Harrison over tyreek hill
Who is she? I haven't seen her before.
My wife.
I can’t stand Max’s voice!
the reason they have lance and wilson above fields is because they need headlines. I think everyone knows Fields is the second best QB in the class. Dudes from ESPN cant come out with the same mock draft for the next 2 months. I'm willing to bet come draft day majority of people will have Fields as the no. 2 QB taken.
@Royal Joker I agree. I don’t think he played in a pro style system at OSU. All I’m saying is the mock drafts will change. It has nothing to do with the success of the player.
People don't realize how much the OSU scheme makes average bench quarterbacks look like legends. Didn't haskins throw for 52 touchdowns at OSU?
He's another OSU bust at QB, even dwayne haskins was a entirely better college QB, look what happened to him
Why is the 2nd best? Y’all really don’t understand how the draft works do y’all lol
Ya'll really drinking that Trevor lawrence kool-aid. Him and Justin came into the season neck and neck. These guys push narratives and we just eat that shi up...its crazy...
@Terrell K How many 6'6 Qb's have made it at the NFL level?
@Trez Rok and notice how this idiot didnt even respond lmao they hate seeing facts
@Sharrybay Thompson not to mention one is Big 10 other is ACC.
@Cryptum404 *Trevor Lawrence* : 66% completion, 13 int's, 60 td's, 164 passer rating *Justin Fields* : 68% completion, 9 int's, 63 td's, 178 passer rating I really wish you did your research before you talked
@Cryptum404 not true at all 💀
Todd McShay still recovering from covid-19 remember that 😂😂🤦♂️
@Kpizzle 937 Just look at the competition that Fields, Wilson, and Lance played against. The highest level of competition Wilson faced was against 18th ranked Coastal Carolina which he lost. Lance only played one game against Central Arkansas where he threw for 149:yards with 2TD’s and 1 int. Actually, it’s good for Fields that McShay and Kiper are bashing him and hopefully the GM’s are stupid enough to listen. Then maybe he will end up on a decent team. Last year, Justin Herbert was the third QB taken behind Joe Burrows and Tua, and look how that worked out.
@Paid Tourist over half a million people have died from covid complications.
@Paid Tourist exactly!!!Trumps outta office so I guess It's safe to reopen now
Wow...it's almost like covid is basically the flu afterall...
🤣🤣🤣
Does tod take hard drugs?
Yes he has to! Or Stevie Wonder is watching his films
This guy is such a clown, it’s obvious Justin is a the 2nd best qb in the draft and it isn’t close
@Kev facts.....but the haters don’t wanna talk about that tho👀
@DBA_ Luke handled Penn State and Wisconsin defenses well too both times
@DBA_ Luke Their defense wasn’t trash when they beat Notre Dame. “tHeY OnLY sCoReD 22 oN nOrThWeStErN cLeMsOn hAs a wAy BeTtEr dEfEnSe”
@StunnaDeec2x Fr this dude really said Georgia 😂😂😂
@Trent Williams Lawrence had a good game against OSU, I wouldnt exactly say he outplayed him, if you use that Logic then Mac Jones should be number 1 cuz he outplayed everyone.
Trey Lance is still the 2nd best QB in the class imo. Above Wilson, Fields, Trask,Jones. People just sleeping on him cuz he only played 1 game this year
Trey Lance played junior varsity!!!
@Peter Biesecker thank you
He really isn’t
are they not right to?