Could the Crew of Columbia Have Been Rescued?

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    Although it has been accepted that there was nothing that could have been done to save the crew of Columbia but in the report in the disaster, it recommended NASA create a rescue/repair plan
    to see what could have been done if information about foam strike could have been investigated by the crew as soon as possible. This video looks at what was recommended in Appendix D.13 the STS-107 flight Options Assessment and the options that might of existed.
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    1. edgeeffect

      That spacewalk with no handrails sounds as dodgy as $#*& to me.

    2. Zachary Fett

      The NASA of the Apollo missions seems very different than the NASA of the Shuttle missions.

    3. Crazy Fox

      Bro... you said "phenomenom" with an m at the end of the word at 2:42 I listened a few times through studio headphones to be certain.

    4. SIMP RAT

      Imagine training your entire lives to become an astronaut just to die in a freak accident all because the higher ups were too lazy to fix the problem early on.

    5. John Hardy

      the shirt's a little much

    6. Travis Sybert

      Alot of these NASA officials need to be prosecuted or at the least knocked out by a right cross to the face. Horrible people.

    7. Didivs Ivlianvs

      It would have been heroic even if it failed. For that reason alone it would have been worth it. But our last heroes died in 9/11 and so none were available as America slouches to oblivion.

    8. Frankie Ford

      There is no "What if " we've known all along they could have been saved...NASA used the lazy Man approach...Crossed there fingers ...and let them re-enter...Even kept them in the Dark...and retracted the call for a satellite photograph... There deaths are on There Poor decision making...The Apollo team would have saved them...


      yes they could - in my "space shuttle disaster video" you can see how :)

    10. Rāknar

      Lives don't matter if you are a scientist. What matters is that you have test subjects that will perform your experiment for you

    11. Stephen Girty

      Good content. Subscribed.

    12. Fukdurmom

      Yes we could have

    13. Alistair Xu

      The milky agenda neurologically list because quotation amazingly rot aboard a afraid waste. terrific, damaged puffin

    14. Ankit Antil

      yes with pods mounted on their seats and ready to eject with heat Shields later auto parachute deployment to land them safely on earth such pods will not cost much and Gurantee safety of crew members on board in case of re-entry emergency like columbia they probably had 10 to 15 seconds to react after initial computer warning but they were hopeless. challenger and columbia happend because of incompetent people in power. Engineers warned both times but nobody listend to them.

    15. RestoPesto

      We had more than 1 fuckin' shuttle. They could have been saved. Literally send a fucker up there with some tiles and put 'em on. Done.

    16. Sheila olfieWay

      I thought the original rescue plan was to launch another shuttle to transfer the crew. Despite this all further shuttle missions they would check the tiles in space.

    17. sachattack

      The whole Shuttle problem was a failure from the start because it was predicated on NASA’s lie to Congress that they could make space travel both cheap and safe with 1970’s technology. As a result, what we actually got was ironically one of the most needlessly expensive and needlessly dangerous space vehicles ever conceived. Looking back, some of the safety sacrifices made were absolutely insane. Despite having one of the most complex and arguably most dangerous launch systems, the Shuttle ironically was the first manned US space vehicle to lack any sort of launch escape system. Sadly and LES probably could have saved the Challenger crew. The unusual fragility of the Shuttle’s thermal protection system was known very early on as well. Yet NASA kept on sending them up with no means of verifying TPS integrity in orbit, no real means of repair, and no contingency for orbital rescue. They were just rolling rolling the dice with the crews’ lives every launch. 133 times it worked out, but 2 it didn’t.

    18. stumpedII

      yes but their lives not worth the expense so they looked hte other way.. pretended everything ok.. profit before safety.

    19. Hunter Kight

      Pro tip: don’t get in a space shuttle that starts with the letter C

    20. Nick D

      I can’t stand the way this guys speaks

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    22. EdgyNumber1

      Should've been, rescue at any cost. NASA broke their own covenant to the astronauts.

    23. Tom Whelan

      They are still alive,except the pilot! Do your homework people!

    24. Stop Enil

      They should have been able and allowed to patch the damaged area. They should have had the ability to repair the damaged area. I have worked on ships at sea and we had the ability to fix what we needed to in order to survive. Sending people into space and denying them the ability to address foreseeable problems is willful negligence.

    25. Lisa L

      So basically it was no chance so they did what they could as to not panic the doomed crew in their final days....

    26. Jihane

      They knew that they couldn't do anything. Too expensive.

    27. [ S o l i t a ]

      I like your shirt.

    28. Norcanex S.G. LLC.

      Is NASA the acronym for "Need Another Seven Astronauts"

    29. mgabrysSF

      00:02 January? Pretty sure it was Feb 1.

    30. Me Here

      When he sed "Phenomenon" I started Singing ¡¡¡¡

    31. John Powell

      Great Video! I always thought the the Challenger accident and Columbia accident had the same cause, complacent management.

    32. B K

      They may have not been on board at all

    33. Eric

      Even though it was only launched once (remotely) the Russian Buran orbiter was a much better design. No insulating material on the exterior of the booster. Also no 0-rings to fail that doomed the first shuttle disaster. It also had provisions for ejection seats for at least some crew members.

    34. Travel with Tony

      “We are 100% certain that Saddam Hussein has developed WMD’s.” US Govt.

    35. Israel Perez Lopez

      why does this look like the titanic because there is always a scare in a ship that kill people 5:20 even in space

    36. sean h

      i am so freaking glad that total boondoggle shuttle is gone for good.. it just shouldn't have still been an operational program after the 80's

    37. Nucleus51

      Thank you for getting this rite. My Father was a Launch Director when the Challenger met its Faith Not by his fault but the Higher ups that basicly forced him to go for Launch despite the O rings not rated for the freezing temps that day, was about Money. He later retired and was not surprised at all about Columbia Tragedy .

    38. Him Bike

      All the EXPERTS said it was safe to re enter. Thank goodness for experts

    39. Bad Pharma

      I would like a proper investigation into the Nypro (Flixborough) disaster. There are some videos on KGup and it is mentioned in over 30 issues of New Scientist over 20 years (search Google books). I haven't read them all but the concept of bubbling air (cheapest source of oxygen) through cyclohexane under high pressure and high temperature SOUNDS damned stupid.. How comfortable would you feel with all of that vapour in 5 reactors (there were 6 but one had cracks so they inexpertly added a bypass. They didn't see any problem with using a)a 25% smaller steel pipe for bypass or by fabricating the bypass with mitre joints that caused a twisting movement (with nothing to prevent said movement). The New Scientist articles cover every detail such as the heat melting the zinc cladding (to protect pipes for weather) and molten zinc causes the embrittlement of steel. I have spent a few days researching this but I haven't read the public enquiry nor the H&S report. Back in 1974 such operations did not have to keep instrument data stored so we don't know FOR SURE but locals knew how risky the operation and as one stated 'it wasn't an IF, just a WHEN. Even in 1974 it would not have been difficult to monitor the pressure of the gas (air, cyclohexanol, cyclohexanone & caprolactam) so that a warning would sound. A sensor (both low & high level) could have produced audible alarms. It was ALL designed to be cheap. After all, vapor was all being run at a higher pressure than the limit set by the H&S means all of the volatiles would escape seeing as it was at a temperature of 150℃ and a pressure of11 kgf/cm2 (11 bar; 156 psi)156 psi (check MSDS for boiling points points) . Well, 11 tonnes of it leaked. The court of enquiry still sells the report: ISBN:9780113610754, 0113610750 Page count:56 Published:1975 Format:Hardcover Publisher:H.M. Stationery Office Language:English Author:Roger Jocelyn Parker, Great Britain. Department of Employment I also wished to draw your attention to n on-line magazine called 'In The Pipeline'. There is a whole section called 'things I wont work with' It's a goldmine for writing on the dangers of science. and here we have the biography (99% being the writers work). Now, TIWWW only deals with lab reagents (since he is an organic chemist) and there hundreds if not thousands of highly toxic but rarely produced because it finds so few applications. Some have no industrial applications so someone just made it (in fume cupboard I hope!), performed LD50 tests on animals and added it to the list of CAS chemicals. I mean, osmium is called 'the billionaires nerve agent'. It does find use as a catalyst but I would not be too keen on the idea and so was another chemist who discovered a co-catalyst so that 95% less osmium is needed.

    40. Prabhu M

      If the rescue have happened, then it would have been the greatest things. goose bumops

    41. Pierre DeCine

      I was moving my backyard 9 foot satellite dish when Columbia re-entered and accidentally intercepted the NASA radio link ... I actually heard a crew member say "uh-oh, we just lost a thermocouple in the left wheel well" - - meaning they were breaking up ... as I am ex-USAF I knew what that meant ...

    42. Pierre DeCine

      Strange how humans understand how fatal CO2 is to submmatines and spacecraft, but no one worries about Earth's atmosphere having the highest CO2 ppm in a 100 million yrs ...

    43. Duane Hart

      I watched this video halfway through before I felt compelled to comment. It seems to me, that NASA was operating by-the-seat-of-their-pants. There does not seem to be any contingency plans in place should something like this happen....and it sadly did. I know that Group-Think is why Challenger failed after several scientists objected to launching in such cold temperatures (because the o-rings had come close to complete failure on previous missions). I wonder if Group-Think was an issue with Columbia also, because some scientists did have reservations of tiles breaking off since it happened during previous missions to this one. We will never know if a rescue of the Columbia crew by Atlantis would have worked, but, in my opinion would have been the best option. I'm glad that contemporary American space travel is in the hands of private companies, so that American lives are not at the risk of technology bought from the lowest bidder, and the cheapest management.

    44. JimL

      Hard to imagine a military option wasn’t available.

    45. Craig Bathurst

      The Air Force had a lot of influence with the design of the Shuttle. If the shuttle was designed so the shuttle was on top of the fuel tanks, astronauts could be alive today.

    46. Michael Pilliod

      Perhaps the most angering piece of this, is the statement "Even if there was damage, there isn't anything we could do about it" For future reference, that person gets fired, and you replace them with someone who knows they can. Everything is impossible until you do it. They can figure out how in the coming hours and days, but they absolutely need to believe they can. Working an "impossible" problem should be part of the candidate screening at NASA. If we have learned anything from the space program, it's that you can do just about anything if you pull together the right people. I imagine you would suddenly have more resources than you could possibly imagine, and new options would open up very quickly!!!

    47. beboboy mann

      I have always been of the opinion that all of the accomplishments of the space program were made by the sheer bravery and tenacity of the people who flew into the skies.

    48. UP Rebel

      The debris from the massive fuel tank hit the leading edge of one of the shuttle's wings. I was really upset that they didn't know this and ever used any of the high tech military and CIA satellites to check the shuttle over. Especially after the Challenger disaster. Almost a year and a half later when the next shuttle was launched, mission control had them do a "back flip" so the crew aboard the ISS could do a visual of the shuttle. I was very perplexed that they had never done this before just as a safety precaution.

    49. David Griffin

      I don 't want to be too crazy here, but how about EVERY launch having a shuttle ready to fly backup if there is a problem. I know it's crazy because we humans are idiots, but just saying.

    50. Brent LeVasseur

      The Columbia was shot down by a Grey saucer. There are photographs taken by a photographer in San Francisco who captured the plasma beam that emanated from the Grey saucer as it hit the Columbia and caused it to break up. Also Fox News captured the Grey saucer in one of its footage as the Columbia was breaking up over Texas. The FBI confiscated the footage taken by the San Francisco photographer, but copies of the images have surfaced on the web and can be seen when you Google for it. Here is the Fox News footage of the Grey saucer after it had shot the Columbia.

    51. welsh-lloyd

      what ifs dont help after the fact

    52. Douglas Hosman

      There was a third theoretical option that could of been used that might of saved both the shuttle and the crew. All they would of needed to do was send the Atlantis up with enough tiles and adhesive and tools to do the nessisary repairs to the shuttle in orbit. This way if the same damage occurred to the Atlantis as well the supplies and equipment would already be there to deal with the problem. Then once the repairs are made both shuttles return to earth. It becomes a win win for every one.

    53. Max Smith

      Nothing demonstrates to the average person with common sense why the moon landings were faked, when reviewing all the major malfunctions that took place with very simple shuttle flights. The forked tongue symbol tells you all you need to know. And it is a forked tongue.

    54. AsylumET

      The title and question posed by the video is nonsense at best. Could they have been rescued? Absolutely not and even the simplest of minds should conclude the same. The proper question would be Could the situation have been avoided and the answer to that is, without doubt.

    55. Fenta Null

      Those astronauts were murdered. People should have gone to jail over that. I lost faith in NASA after they sacrificed Challenger. Then they did it again. They knew both times it was too dangerous to fly.

    56. William Bush

      Sounds like the enginners from the shuttle program moved to Boeing.

    57. Sun Moon

      Why couldn't they rescue them

    58. Jari

      If Nasa had painted some paint on the orange fueltank ,maybe in a fractal pattern for better grip -I guess usa then dumped the shuttle since it kills Usa's wiev of success - and for no other reason .(sarcasm)

    59. The Father

      The space shuttle they used to say it was a pickup truck of space. But it was like all pickup trucks they turn into junk the older they get. And like all pickup truck owners NASA just patched up.

    60. Fred Flintstone

      I'm not sure if they want to release them from the Carlsbad caverns yet. I will have to ask Reynolds.

    61. Espo Sexy

      Darrick Forrest, S, Cincinnati

    62. The Last Roman

      This scenario of a hypothetical rescue of the stricken USS Colombia needs a movie adaptation, and plenty of disco music.

    63. Thomas Mace

      “Normalization of deviance.” Far too many NTSB aviation accident reports come to this fatal conclusion.

    64. the boss520

      You couldn't convince me to do that EVA at 6:37. That looks insane.

    65. CincyMike21

      "Normalization of deviance" - sounds like the perfect description for modern times.

      1. TheAkashicTraveller

        @M K Ah yes because wanting to normalise people being able to live the lives they want without having others persecute them for it is a bad thing.

      2. M K

        That’s a pretty good synopsis of the lefts agenda actually

      3. ButterSquids

        @Shukriyadhan they didn't forget, because that wasn't in the design. The numbers here don't add up - orbital velocity is about 9000 m/s, there is no way two SRB's could produce that much delta-v for the shuttle. Also, that would completely nullify any advantage of the shuttle's landing capabilities, as there would be insufficient velocity to glide to the landing destination.

      4. Shukriyadhan

        NASA Engineers forgot to install two rearward rocket mini booster engines that could slow down the re-entry speed from 26000 kph to 200 kph that is, the engines' jet exhaust facing the nose as they could have been mounted under the fuselage-wing joining pit !! This can be possible!! Why they didnt think about this ?

    66. Marc Denhilz De Guzman

      Its sad to see the astronouts dreams and hopes destroyed an error i mean look how happy theye were but its the reality we life in..

    67. steveissexy 1967.

      cmon this is space flight. This is What they wanna do they know every single danger they face and they agreed that danger in pursuit of doing what they loved only challenger was caused by bad management frankly you've got a very delicate machine when you look at it sitting on the pad with these kind of machines a broken bolt is enough to kill them frankly I'm surprised we only lost 14 by the time Columbia happened those are actually pretty good numbers considering how many flights and how many people have been launched on the shuttle. yes they definitely could have been rescued.

    68. Jean

      The crew could have been saved. However, it has been estimated that there was no problem because this part of the wing is very strong. It was not a reluctance on the part of NASA or politics. They were really convinced that the foam could not pose a threat to the wing.

    69. Bubba Holtzclaw

      I think they were sacrificed in a NASA blunder that already cost us Challenger and its crew. The huge piece of foam was observed and discussed and then...they died. In years past I envied the astronauts going into space.. now I pity them. Highly skilled puppets of the American Industrial Complex. Expendable. Don' t get me wrong, I know space is an unforgiving environment.. yet I realize the Russians could have been paid by us to rendezvous EVA them to the Soyuz and back to earth... probably three or more Soyuz's or we could have done something... No... let them die. Or another orbital supply vessel could have been launched with supplies and reboost capability.. Bottom line, it was NASA and don't tell the press (meaning the American People) we are having trouble.. better to just let them die and investigate. Good thing space is going with private industry... the Government, once again, can't be trusted. And never will be. The Government believes the magic bullet and now this... And people laugh at me for trusting in Jesus... Jesus never failed me... the Government has failed us, again, and again, and again, and again....on and on and on...

    70. Nadia Zahroon

      No. My husband worked on it and I asked him, he said it was impossible and they knew their fate. They would have have to ask God in person to help them.

    71. Hellseeker

      By trying to save time and money, they effectively ended the public space program 👏👏👏👏, I hope they can't sleep at night, you murdered these folks for a percentage, they fucking knew it was happening.

    72. Timmothy McCandless

      The crew could have been rescued yes in you'll never convince me otherwise, it came down to money all they had to do with sin another shuttle up to exchange the crew and go back, NASA knew there was a problem and they did nothing.

    73. All Good

      Very sad.. RIP😔

    74. Eastern YellowJacket

      The shuttle design was sound. It was the rocket system that was the failure. And bad decisions by those in charge.

    75. Kvinépin

      The thumbnail is the cover of the book Aircraft control and simulation Dynamics, controls design and autonomous systems third edition!!

    76. T K

      This video came so early ... Wow ... Great ... 🙄

    77. Will Morici

      Look into STS-27. We almost lost that orbiter too, 15 years before STS-107. Foam from the frustum/forward skirts came off during ascent and tore into Atlantis, causing serious damage all along the right side.

    78. razorfett147

      The fact that NASA was able to put the shuttle back in orbit 28 more times safely AFTER the Columbia disaster goes to show what could be accomplished when they pulled their heads out of their asses and let the engineers do their jobs. All 14 shuttle deaths can be laid squarely at the feet of shoddy management

    79. Loui Throttler

      ....and astronauts want to go to Mars. As if. Robots only, sorry guys.

    80. David Harrison

      Between him and Scott Manley.....they have an awfully extensive knowledge of the space program. Amazing!!!

    81. Stand Alone

      Too bad space x wasn't around...

    82. Eugen Schauman

      Could hogs fly if they had wings and were not governed by the lowest common denominator?

    83. SoccerPro101

      After watching this video , I had to ask myself : Did we really go to the moon or it was a elaborate hoax on the sets of George Lucas’s movie stage . Even with current technology we cannot go to the moon with manned spacecraft for the next ten years and all the private Space X and other billionaires providing resources

    84. Lynn Gatrell

      February, actually.

    85. Anonymous Saitama

      They had to go, for these statistical ideologies to exist

    86. Amy jo Jinkerson

      no concern that's what happened with the Callenger

    87. Amy jo Jinkerson

      they could have docked with the ISS and therefore make a decision what to do

    88. Cvidz

      if only they sent up a new ship so they could get back down without having to worry about the damaged wing at launch.

    89. Setmose

      The simulated rendering of the hole in the wing's leading edge (5:07) is pretty devastating. Hadn't seen that before.

    90. Setmose

      It was publicly reported during the mission that spy satellites could be used to examine the shuttle, as well as ground telescopes, but it would require maneuvers that would change the mission schedule. NASA directly stated to reporters that there would be no change in the reentry turns program that used gradual turns to help dump energy from the vehicle through g-force and drag -- the idea had been *publicly* debated that the turns could be rearranged to avoid stressing the potentially damaged wing on one side. The list goes on and on. The culpability of management is well known, and very gradually all the senior managers were eased out of their roles, but at a rate (a decade) that protected the institutional reputation of NASA and the long-term career options of the individual senior managers. Certainly, as this video shows, an all-out emergency effort to rescue the crew could have been mounted. Finally, and this is my own guess, it seems to me that the damaged shuttle could have been parked in a longer-term orbit using the remaining fuel, so that even a further mission could return to it and perform the repairs (now with exact knowledge of the damage, and the exactly correct replacement parts) and bring the damaged shuttle home also.

    91. D Gillies

      They needed Star-Trek style space parachutes ...

    92. Peter McGill

      A chance for another Apollo 13 save, but NASA didn’t even turn up to the game.

    93. Tiff Prendergast

      This happened on my birthday

    94. Peg Legged Brown

      Man I remember exactly where I was when Challenger blew up, I remember where I was at on 9/11, and I remember exactly where I was when news broke about Columbia. I to this day will never stop feeling horrible for all people involved, my heart will always go out to them. Rest in peace and godspeed.

    95. Archie 3K

      "Normalization of deviance" sounds like a smart way to describe the frog-in-boiling-water argument.

    96. PA

      the engineers asked for pictures to determine the damage but were refused by the woman in charge of the mission not wanting to interrupt the scientific experiments by sending them out to look. She should have been charged with manslaughter

    97. ungabungaable

      My Grand Father was an engineer during the building and design of the shuttle, the capsule was originally designed to be separate and ejectable with chutes, but due to cost cutting from the bean counters the chute and ejection system was scrubbed. and thus both shuttles that exploded the crews had they had this system in the craft would have survived. as for the tiles, he complained this was going to be an issue just like this eventually.

    98. Randy

      At 56, I will never forget the words, "Challenger go with throttle up"

      1. Peter McGill

        Roger, go...

    99. Marvin Arnold

      No, it goes way before that. The shuttle was designed and built on the cheap. Perfect example, the boosters, built in sections vice a solid piece. Easier to transport that way. It all goes down to save money, since congress only budgeted a certain amount, they had to cut corners.

    100. Albert van der Heiden

      Hear about a plan to dump the hole with lots of metal parts from the ISS and a big bag of ice to stop the heat coming in the wing. It could have work,will never now.